Amber and Jet Posting Guidelines
Once you've been reading Amber and Jet posts for awhile, you'll
something -- the moderators like to keep a low profile, and have a
view of moderation. The A&J list as a whole is usually
with experienced members offering good advice and constructive
to newer members looking for the proper tone for list postings.
list has certainly had its share of "hot topics" and "flame fests", but
they tend to end themselves more quickly and with less hassle than is
seen on other Pagan lists. However, in the five years Amber and
has been running, some recurring events have led us to write up a short
set of guidelines for posting to the list.
1. Keep postings to subjects pertinent to British Traditional
Wicca and Traditional Witchcraft. Please keep the following
2. Make your posts useful by employing the following:
- General internet humor forwards (Pagan-related jokes may be
use conservative judgment)
- Virus warnings, or non-Pagan warnings of any kind (needles in
flashing headlight myths, etc.)
- Forwards from other lists regarding petitions, surveys, and polls
Pagan related ones. Most members of A&J are on several others
lists as well, and will likely have already seen it a dozen or more
- Commercial advertisements of any kind, whether the product is
or not. Publicizing a Pagan festival is fine - advertising your
web store is not. Links to commercial sites contained in a
line is fine, as long as the signature line isn't usually longer than
3. Amber and Jet is a semi-public forum, intended for the
of ideas and concepts relating to British Traditional Witchcraft.
It is not a forum for personal issues to be discussed, especially
issues that are not your own. It is neither a forum for
attacks, nor a place for inter- or intra- community battles to be
Amber and Jet is a discussion list, not a playground for one's own
- Please, no one-line "me too" posts that don't add anything to the
If you're going to agree, great -- tell us why.
- If replying to a previous post, trim the headers and footers from
writer's post, and quote back only the parts that are relevant to your
reply. When in doubt, err on the side of too little quoted --
can always go back into the archives to find the referenced post.
Additionally, those receiving the list as a daily digest need to pay
attention that they do not quote back the entire digest, and should
be sure to change the subject line to the topic at hand, rather than
it as "Digest Number 3,141,592".
- Welcoming new members is nice, as long as it's not the only thing
message. Resist the urge to welcome each new member with a
"Welcome!", saving it instead until you have another post to send.
4. Experience has shown there are some topics that prove to be
so problematic we consider them always entirely off-topic. It's a
short list so far -- hopefully we won't have to add to it very often.
5. Regarding "Oathbound" material:
- $ilver Ravenwolf - always ends up causing flame fests when the
broached. If you're going to mention her, do it quick, then leave
it alone... we'll all be happier for it.
- The "Gardnerian/Protean" and "Alexandrian/Chthonioi" splits. Bring up either other than in
and return yourself to permanent moderation. Check the archives if you're
but they only needed to come up once apiece, and that time has passed.
- "Oathbreaking" of any sort. Not a seeker level
Doesn't even work well amongst initiates, so don't think you're missing
much. Again, the archives have plentiful attempts, all
- The "Correllian Nativist Tradition". Absolutely no point on a BTW list. The archives contain the opinions the listowners and most of the Trad elders on the list regarding this "tradition".
- Amber and Jet is a forum for discussion of many British
traditions and groups. Traditional Witchcraft groups often have
material that is considered "oathbound", that is, information that is
to initiates of the tradition only, not to be distributed or discussed
outside of that tradition's initiates. While it is never wrong to
*ask* a question of someone involved in a tradition, we ask that
and members of other traditions respect when someone says "I cannot
that question for you", or simply remains silent despite a question
to them. Sometimes the question can be worded in a more broad
-- sometimes it is better to let the question drop altogether.
- Amber and Jet has as members people from dozens of different
traditions, as well as seekers to those traditions. What is
oathbound for one tradition may not be oathbound for a different
In a case where a member of one tradition has issue with a particular
or line of discussion due to its oathbound nature in their own
our recommended course of action is to remain silent, and stay out of
discussion altogether. If you kick up too much of a fuss, you'll
likely end up letting out more than was being discussed in the first
-- there is something to be said for the concept of "Methinks thou dost
protesteth too much".
- Anyone deliberately attempting to present material they claim or
is Oathbound in any tradition (example: "Here's some material
the Gardenia BOS") will be immediately unsubscribed and banned from the
list, no questions asked.
6. The Amber and Jet list will be intermittently moderated, with
the intent of keeping the list focused to topics of specific interest
pertinence to British Traditional Wicca. All new subscribers to
Amber and Jet list are automatically placed in moderated status. The majority of list members
remain in moderation indefinitely -- less than five percent of the
list subscribers are unmoderated. Moderated members will find a
brief lag in the appearance of their posts to the list, from one to six
hours on average. If a message has not been approved after 24
hours, members can write to the list moderators privately to discuss
it. Messages deleted by moderators may or may not be accompanied
by an explanatory message. Messages that were deleted for reasons
clearly found in this list of guidelines will often have no explanation
without personal inquiry.
7. For the purposes of the Amber and Jet
list, the term "Wicca" refers
specifically to the lineaged, initiatory mystery religion with roots in
the New Forest region of Great Britain, manifested today through
various "traditions" all linked with a common ancestry back to the New
Forest area. "Wiccans" or "The Wica" are the properly lineaged,
properly initiated members of those Traditions.
8. Concerns about topics being discussed on Amber and Jet,
about the topicality of potential discussions, or other inquiries on
is and is not appropriate to the Amber and Jet list can always be
to our private e-mail account, either at firstname.lastname@example.org
(just Eddie and Teresa) or email@example.com
(the entire moderation staff).
This is the initial guidelines list -- the things we thought of off
the top of our heads. The list will be updated and improved as
goes by, and with additional suggestions and comments from
We will send a notice to the list following any major changes.
Final thought, from an Amber and Jet member:
"We in the Craft know that we have the ultimate responsibility for
actions, to ourselves but also to others in the Craft and for the
of the Craft... harm none. So we should endeavor to make whatever form
of gather a haven from a hostile world to us and for those seekers that
are looking for a safe harbor in their journey."
Thank you for your cooperation and support in making Amber and Jet a
focused, interesting, and satisfying list for all.
Eddie and Teresa
List Owners, Amber and Jet BTW e-list
January 1, 2002
last revision November 23, 2010